the eyes go *roll* and the brain goes *splat*

2007 December 7
by Sylvia/M

I feel like a shitty little sister-friend because I keep trying to make a post to support Black Amazon and to figure out why this post on Tiny Cat Pants irks me so much, and every time I either come up with long “Why I Hate Law School” screeds (hint: it ends with “finals”) or get teary-eyed watching black jazz legends do beautiful things with sound and rhythm.

So I’m going to riff on what’s making me upset and if I feel uncomfortable about anything I’ve written here, I can edit it later.  Oh internet, your mutability reassures.

First of all, I’m still irritated that “Hugo Schwyzer” continues to refer to myself and other bloggers as “women of color.”  It “bothers” me to no end.  So I am going to make a “political correction” now.  When a group of people willingly identify themselves under a certain appellation or term of art, and they invite others to use that term to refer to them, it is completely and utterly disrespectful to put “quotes” around it as if to suggest their chosen “designation” for their “existence” is a “farce” or a “ruse” or a “disguise” or something to be called into “question.”

And it’s not limited to “Mr.” Schwyzer, either.  It happens whenever someone speaks of a loving family being separated or of a mother being unable to breastfeed her child or a victim of a violent crime being referred to as an “illegal immigrant” or “illegal alien” or some other way of not affirming that person’s identity when they’ve allowed some way of recognizing them as a person.

It’s damned relevant when you’re assigning anyone acts and purposes that are misguided, especially when you’re attempting to ascribe motives for their actions.  Which brings me to Aunt B. and my need to be careful with what I’m writing because I am angry.  But I’m not angry at Aunt B.

My horoscope told me today not to lose my temper because really bad things could happen and people would think I’m a wild, irrational being and stay away.  I’ve seen this happen before in non-astrological contexts, so I’m gonna try to be as polite as I can.

I am angry because no matter what I write now, it has to be written in a defense.  I’m sick of defending who I am.  I’m sick of defending why I write, I’m sick of rehashing what I write because people can’t be bothered to try to see what I’ve done (and I understand blowing up my last blog kind of negates this point for me, but I’ve seen it with other bloggers too and they probably feel the same way), and I’m sick of being angry and sick from doing something I enjoy.

I am sad that all the work I used to do has now dissolved down to people thinking I want the attention of the white feminist blogosphere.  I am sad that because I got that attention from the white feminist blogosphere, and because I didn’t get attention or barely a decent dose of credit from people I really wanted to help (almost too enthusiastically), I deleted a blog I worked so hard on for almost a year.  A blog that had more non-white feminist concerned entries, a blog that had petitions and my thoughts on so many things that I cared about politically and morally, a blog that had a lot more attention than it probably deserved and than I could handle.

That blog was my saving grace, my sanity, and all I needed.  It was my book deal.  And when I felt like things reached a point I couldn’t control, I deleted it because I felt like there was nothing left for me to do.  I got utterly caught up in one cause that I felt morally responsible for, and then I felt myself neglecting other causes I knew I should speak on, and then I began trying to outsource some things I cared about so that people who read my blog would do something because I couldn’t handle talking about them…  I felt later that when everything I worked so hard on took off to such great heights, it did so because I deleted its connections to me and withdrew.

I write so virulently about being infuriated when people erase other people’s identities and dreams and experiences and wishes from the world, and now I’m forced to face up to the fact that when I felt that happening to me, I took the initiative and erased myself.   Because I honestly wondered, what was the point?  I felt so drained and lonely.  And I talked to my blogging sister-friend, Black Amazon.

I’d written before how we handled pain, even though that entry and many others…they’re gone.  She doesn’t understate the fact that we are intelligent, we’re beautiful, we’re young, and we’re living full lives that require our attentions — yet we blog.  Because it’s true.  Sometimes I think we shoulder too much.  I can’t tell her whether she does or not, but I know that a lot of times I think I shoulder too much responsibility for what other people do onto myself.  Lately, I feel like I shoulder too little — I can’t even look at a political cause to link without fear, nausea, and crying.  Because I think of what I lost.  And it’s not regret for doing it; it’s a growing sense of fear that getting rid of something that meant so much to me was the only option I had at that time to continue living.

At the same time, I feel like sitting around and crying about a blog is probably the simplest and most trivial pain to have.  It makes me grateful for Brown Femi Power because she withstands so much shit every day to let people know that there are people doing back-breaking work so you can eat, people wandering homeless while you stay in your stockpiles.  It makes me grateful for Vox calling attention to police violence and clashes with racism in the so-called “higher” echelons of life and social interaction.  It makes me grateful for Sudy’s beautiful writing about what it means to be a woman first and how to be a woman.  It makes me grateful for Shannon’s links and how she finds the most interesting communications and engagements around the blogosphere and LiveJournal and Etsy.  It makes me grateful for Serena and Lex for their incredible support and encouragement of all women to share their stories and to reach out to each other for strength.

I should probably stop because I could go on like this forever about way too many women, but I’m sure they know who they are and that I appreciate them too.

So when I read Aunt B.’s posts and the resulting thread, I reacted cynically.  Hence the title of this entry.  My eyes rolled and my brain exploded and oozed out through my ears.  I kept hearing the voice of a close friend describing why they hated the internet and people on it, and I started nodding.

And it hurts me when all of these women and all of their efforts on this space are reduced to what I saw in Aunt B.’s entry.  Is that all you see us doing?  Really?  Is that what you thought we wanted or needed?  I hate looking at things like those because I feel myself spiralling back to the beginning of the game board, and I feel myself unwilling to stare at the brick wall with “RACISM 101″ spraypainted on it.  Or “SEXISM 101.”  Or “ALL THINGS OPPRESSION 101.”  If you’re born into a system of oppression, you’ve already passed 101, but people always wind up dragging you back to that place of fundamentals.

I don’t like how my scorn validates some people’s ignorance.  I understand that people look only for the the things you do for them.  I understand that when they think you’re doing less for them, they mistakenly believe you’re also doing less for you.  I don’t understand how they don’t try to correct their mistake and then prescribe what you should do to do more for yourself.  I don’t understand how they try to deny they made a mistake in the first place or that your failure is somehow inevitable when tied to their success.  I don’t understand why the same patterns keep repeating themselves through time and why no one recognizes this historical deja vu beyond a cursory glance of recognition.

I hate the fact I feel so defensive right now.  I hate the fact that I feel more comfortable writing about these things and utterly fucking horrified at trying to write about something that matters.  Because this post…it’s all wasted words on something that can easily be erased.  As I know too well.

But the erasure…it makes sense when the same question keeps playing in my fucking head.

Is that all you see us doing?

If it is, I’d rather you not see me at all.

32 Responses
  1. 2007 December 7
    Daomadan permalink

    I’ve been thinking about that post for a few days now and I want to articulate something but I can’t get it out of me right now. Even the title of the entry “Meta Feminisim” irks me.

  2. 2007 December 7

    ::tearing full eyes::

  3. 2007 December 7

    You humans are so indecisive. Do you want to join the Borg or do you want to be annihilated? Which is it?

  4. 2007 December 7

    Friend-

    Thank you for this post. I have been staring at that thread since yesterday and seeing no point of entry for anything that felt like truth or reality for me.Thank you for recognizing the brave and important work being done by women of color. Thank you for recognizing me too. Thank you for speaking our names – which are not wrong and are not spelled with quotation marks.

    Thank you for recognizing your own work – we are all stronger for it. Even if you need to erase this post, this blog, tomorrow or in an hour I will be grateful to have read it and this truth stays spoken. And before: if it was too much, it was too much. I know this is hard – right now I am also learning about letting go and clearing out places for new things to grow – but trust yourself and your voice.

    So many of us are only waiting to hear what you will say next.xo

  5. 2007 December 7

    First of all, I’m still irritated that “Hugo Schwyzer” continues to refer to myself and other bloggers as “women of color.” It “bothers” me to no end. So I am going to make a “political correction” now. When a group of people willingly identify themselves under a certain appellation or term of art, and they invite others to use that term to refer to them, it is completely and utterly disrespectful to put “quotes” around it as if to suggest their chosen “designation” for their “existence” is a “farce” or a “ruse” or a “disguise” or something to be called into “question.”

    Seriously. I understand that the logic is trying to point out that something is constructed, in this case specifically race. … I don’t agree with it, but I understand nevertheless. But if you’re using something as a proper noun, or even as a group descriptor (both of which he seems to be doing), that’s both pointless and insulting. If he thinks we’re the Benevolent Society of Women Of Color Bloggers, with our arcane ways and Sekrit Mysteries, then the acronym stands on its own. You don’t say “BPOE” or “Shriners,” you say BPOE and Shriners, because those are their names. You certainly don’t say “Microsoft” or “Harvard University.” Quotes are often used to indicate that you are calling it out of its name, like “MicroSuck” or something. Is the implication that we have some other name?

    More abstractly… what is the purpose of singling out race as being constructed? Gender is socially constructed, but we don’t put scare quotes around personal pronouns (unless we’re trolling about trans* issues or otherwise being offensive). Hell, the Army is a social construct. So are corporations. So is language. Do we put quotes around everything we say, to indicate the constructed nature of the link between sign and signifier?

    Of course not. That would be idiotic.

    Instead, quotes are put around race because, well, there’s this fear that talking about race makes one a racist. It’s colorblind racism all over again.

    Well, there are a lot of other things that go into it, but I think I’ll leave it there, for now. I should really get back to work.

  6. 2007 December 7

    Daomadan, I’m kinda in the same place. I’ve taken about four or five different approaches to responding to that, and all I came up with is “Mack the Knife” and this. I don’t think I can handle doing a point by point response like I wanted. I’m grateful for those in the comments who did articulate something, though.

    *hugs Sudy*

    Tom, when you put it that way… I NEED MORE TIME ;)

  7. 2007 December 7

    My eyes are tearing up too. I hear you.

  8. 2007 December 7

    Wonderful, as usual. I am always in awe of you and BA and most all y’all, really. Just amazing, wonderful, talented, giving and forgiving folks, you are.

    I was really sorry to see you blow up your blog, although I knew why you did it, and thought that if that is what you needed in order to move forward, then that was what was best done. Your words aren’t gone tho – I mean, one can’t still physically – well, cyberphysically, I guess – point to them, but I know many of them still echo in the minds of those who read the pieces when they were up. People say so. And, of course, you are building a new body of work here which in some ways is built on the foundation of what you had before.

    I have to ask, though:

    Which brings me to Aunt B. and my need to be careful with what I’m writing because I am angry. But I’m not angry at Aunt B.

    Why is no one (well, you and a few others) angry at Aunt B? I finally read that post and thread all through, and I couldn’t figure out where to comment because I am absolutely angry at Aunt B. Especially as she’s blithely and blindly scattered so much hurt, but has (as far as I can tell) done nothing at all to deal with that.

  9. 2007 December 7
    ilyka permalink

    Sylvia, you’re incredible. That’s inadequate, but I don’t know what to say that isn’t. You know how much MORE you are than some crude caricature of a longing eye peeping through the keyhole at the white feminists–you know, and everyone who reads you knows.

    Honestly, I think I liked the “spokesperson” business better than this longing-eye, please-white-feminists-include me BS; at least as a spokesperson you get a voice, but this? An eye? A gaze? That’s it? At this rate, I predict next you will be thumbnail, maybe even a cuticle. It’s ridiculous.

    I’m sick and angry about the dimwits who keep wanting to reduce you to that. I am sick and angry and I wish I could make it stop. You are more than that, you are way more than them, and it’s really their loss if they can’t see it, but–this just has to stop.

    I felt later that when everything I worked so hard on took off to such great heights, it did so because I deleted its connections to me and withdrew.

    Somehow I doubt that. I think the things you worked so hard on took off to such great heights because you poured your soul into them.

    Do you want to join the Borg or do you want to be annihilated? Which is it?

    Heart you, Tom.

  10. 2007 December 7

    I for one, welcome our new Borg overlords.

    i’m so glad you’re back, sylvia.

  11. 2007 December 7
    michelle permalink

    First of all, Sylvia, the beauty of your .. truth telling? honesty? word word what’s the word? … shines out to me in this entry. And my response inside myself to the underlying energy of this writing is — love and an actual physical pain in my chest. I don’t know how else to say that though it sounds really stupid when I look at it on the screen.

    ANYWAY.

    And it’s not regret for doing it; it’s a growing sense of fear that getting rid of something that meant so much to me was the only option I had at that time to continue living.

    At the same time, I feel like sitting around and crying about a blog is probably the simplest and most trivial pain to have.

    Trivial pain at levels that aren’t supposedly really real … I’ve been really pissed off at myself lately because I’m IRL I have this situation where I am in so much pain from invisible violence that I feel overloaded and all I can do is respond to it. I hate it. I hate that space of involuntary response to pain where I can’t step back and be more deliberate and thoughtful and ask myself what am I doing, what choices am I making, what are the underlying assumptions of those choices, is that ok, do I need to shift. I have access to that in some ways in other areas but in this space of pain and reaction, it flies the fuck out the window. A body reaction to something that is invisible.

    And I don’t want it to be true, I don’t want it to feel like survival the way it does. I mean, I’ve been thinking, it’s not like air or food or other material necessities, so why the hell does it feel like a version of that to me. And also, I am so sorry if I am projecting here, I may be doing that (remembering our discussion in the privilege knapsack entry)

    And, Nanette asked:

    Why is no one (well, you and a few others) angry at Aunt B? I finally read that post and thread all through, and I couldn’t figure out where to comment because I am absolutely angry at Aunt B. Especially as she’s blithely and blindly scattered so much hurt, but has (as far as I can tell) done nothing at all to deal with that.

    yes yes yes, I feel/see it that way too (except for, I did comment when Kai laid it out).

    And in my perception, it’s like — apparently it’s totally okay to cause pain as part of your own supposed learning process because why else do women of color exist except to be objects for white people’s ongoing, um, learning. That “well-meaning” white people can and often do harm in that dynamic? Eh, no biggie. Because, well, isn’t that what “you people” are there for, to serve us? And if you serve us well enough, we always promise that you will get the carrot of our understanding, dangling right there, see it? And now I’m back thinking of That Girl’s recent entries.

  12. 2007 December 7

    Problematicserenity, thank you for understanding. I’m grateful for having sisters like you to stand with me. And excited. I can’t wait to see what we all do together.

    Magniloquence, that’s what I don’t get either; you put it better than I could at the moment. It’s such an underhanded snipe. I wonder if he does scare quotes around people’s names when he addresses them in person.

    *hugs Turtlebella*

    Thank you, Nanette. I think I’m just tired of getting angry at people for boldfaced ignorance. There’s a lot that could have been done in the comments of that post to rectify what mistaken interpretations were made in the post, and I think they were done. I don’t necessarily understand what she got out of it, and that irritates me more. It’s more like an annoying mosquito bite to me.

    Thanks, Ilyka, and your most recent post is absolutely phenomenal. I will have to trudge my lazy ass over there and say so in your comment section instead of mine but I have read it over many times and I think it’s remarkable.

    Thank you, sly civilian. I’m glad to be back and on the welcoming committee.

    Michelle, you’re not projecting; I know what you’re saying and it’s meshing with what I feel. And it is violent and unrelenting. Thank you, and keep thinking things through.

  13. 2007 December 7

    Heh. I like the image of Hugo esteican’tbebotheredtolookuphislastname using scare quotes all the time. like the girl going to vassar in say anything. okay, so maybe pop culture is a little too real to me. is it bad that it makes me feel better to imagine him being so juvenile?

  14. 2007 December 7

    I see now, Sylvia and understand, definitely, being tired of being angry – especially as things happen with such frequency.

    I was just afraid I was missing some vital nugget in what seemed to me to be a pile of unmitigated tripe that was prompting folks to be um… “understanding” or something.

    And in my perception, it’s like — apparently it’s totally okay to cause pain as part of your own supposed learning process because why else do women of color exist except to be objects for white people’s ongoing, um, learning.

    Yep, my impression too.

  15. 2007 December 8
    Joan Kelly permalink

    Sylvia,

    It definitely is a loss that your previous blog is gone, and if the ache I or anybody else feels over it is bad, obviously it must be many more times intense for you. And I’m mad that it seems to have left you almost intimating that it was some weakness or impulsive reaction on your part instead of it being an undebate-able fact that people should just not be backing other people into fucking corners. I don’t think I have read a lot of specifics from you about why you deleted it, but the sense I still have is that it was something like an ejector seat button for you, like get me the fuck out of this right now, and that kind of feeling/response doesn’t come from simple but overwhelming attention. It comes from specific kinds of attention, which go by other names as well.

    And everything that has been said about the baffling presumptions in Aunt B’s post (as well as at least one person in the comments) is right on, obviously. Nanette, I second what you said about why aren’t people angry at her instead of just angry about what she said and response to it. I second it even as I know why *I* did not have anger-at-Aunt-B as my first reaction to that post. I am a semi-regular reader of her blog, and either I have missed something along the way or else she has never come out like that before, and that’s why for me personally I was like, holy shit, not Aunt B., too? And that she did not have defensiveness when confronted in the comments is also what made me feel like, okay, maybe it’s not Aunt B, too?

    Which is fucked up, because frankly so what if it’s Aunt B. too or not Aunt B. too? Those things were *said* and those things were devastating to read, to not be able to snatch them down before anyone I love saw them, to not be able to undo what was done in that post. Great, Aunt B.’s not Amanda apparently, and Aunt B.’s not Jessica, but what, in the (perhaps only my own anyway) small relief of that is relevant to the fact that something that ugly got to see the light of day and hurt people?

    When do I get to be relieved for Sylvia, for BA, for BFP, for Sudy, for Donna Darko, for Nez, for Kai, for…. when do I get to see some racist shit pan out that gives relief in any meaningful way?

    So yeah, I don’t feel towards Aunt B. what I felt towards AM in the book cover grotesquerie, but as maybe someone said over at BFP’s (Kai was it?), it’s harder in some ways to get that shit from someone who honestly is not purposefully hateful rather than someone who is front and center about it.

  16. 2007 December 8

    Sylvia, I don’t think it’s wasted energy or defensive. Just the truth, and putting it out there is important.

    “I understand that when they think you’re doing less for them, they mistakenly believe you’re also doing less for you. ”

    That’s the truth. Too bad it’s a hard point to get understood. But not because you haven’t expressed it beautifully.

    And yeah, finals suck. One of the many ways law school’s a bad preview. But that said, here’s hoping you kick it out of the park.

  17. 2007 December 8

    Turtlebella, that’s the nicest thought I’ve had in his direction. I should probably work on that, shouldn’t I? :-p

    Nanette, you’ve not missed anything; I don’t feel like I’m letting her off the hook. But I definitely understand why you and Joan are upset.

    Joan, I think the ejector seat metaphor is perfect. There’s always pain involved too, when talking about race and perception — but it almost always feels like the pain is one-sided. And it always hurts, whether it comes deliberately or obliviously.

    Thank you, octogalore. And I’m working on my kicks as we speak, lol.

  18. 2007 December 8
    ilyka permalink

    And it always hurts, whether it comes deliberately or obliviously.

    Pain is pain. Its method of delivery is way, way secondary to the issue.

    And yet I realize I have strong personal feelings about it myself: If I could choose the method of delivery, I’d choose the pain delivered with deliberate purpose behind it, because then I can justify my outrage over it. I can go right to naming my enemy, I can go right to formulating a strategy to stop the pain.

    But accidental, incidental, thoughtless pain?–I have to think about that more, and I am both lazy and impatient; I want to go right to pointing fingers, I want to go right to throwing punches, I want to go right to fighting back. Just tell me who to hit! Instead now I’ve got to sit here unraveling whys and wherefores and underlying motives and structure and, bleah–that can be interesting, I can learn a lot from having to do it, but to have to it from the disadvantaged position of being in pain? Not fair.

    I would like to see more instances where it’s turned around (thinking here of something Joan said) so that the person forced to do the unraveling and the sorting and the analyzing is the person who caused the pain in the first damn place.

  19. 2007 December 8

    Yeah, I feel like I’m dancing dangerously close to playing victim and that’s what I DON’T want to do here. But I’m just sick of the same shit happening. And that’s probably the most wearisome part; it’s HARD to point those fingers and start throwing shit at people, even when they may deserve it because they seem so oblivious. Pain can spark learning but it can also spark more reflexive pain.

  20. 2007 December 10

    I’m sorry I’m late to this – I’ve been falling behind on my blog reading. :(

    Calling out the BS isn’t playing the victim. It might look that way if you’re looking through the white lens, but that’s a warped perspective.

    Many sympathies that this keeps happening over and over and over again. I’ve been getting frustrated and angry about how pervasive racism and the denial of racism is lately, and it’s lead to some not productive discussions elsewhere with people who would remain friendly to them if only I’d stop saying things that make them uncomfortable and ashamed (and I’m not trying to shame them or make them feel uncomfortable at all).

    It also makes me angry and frustrated when I come here, or to BA’s, and I see a post about something awful someone else who won’t engage you as people said about you, and I wish that shit did not have a deeper, institutional meaning. That it wasn’t the same thing every single time, and instead just some individual somewhere being clueless, and of course it never is.

    I don’t think it’s playing the victim to post in response, but it’s frustrating to see this passive racism constantly suck energy out of you. And I admit part of the reason I do feel strongly about it is because I’ve dealt with similar energy-sucking transphobic behavior.

  21. 2007 December 10

    Playing victim perhaps was the wrong way to describe what I’m feeling. I’m speaking more out of futility. It is energy draining. But there are other things worth having attention. And thank you so much for reaching out, Lisa.

  22. 2007 December 13

    I’m reading this and thinking…you know, the word I keep coming back to is “grace.” You’re just…not only incredibly smart, but incredibly emotionally evolved. Like, people three times your age never get there.

    and yet, yeah, at the same time, there’s the “tired” part, and the part, I think that…put it this way, I’m sorry you blew up your blog, obviously, for a whole bunch of reasons. but yeah, I kind of wish, next time you blow up it’s not turned back on yourself so much? hope I’m not overstepping. it’s 5:30 in the morning and i shouldn’t be up at all.

  23. 2007 December 13

    I wasn’t so much saying you shouldn’t do it, but rather saying that what you’re doing shouldn’t be dismissed.

    Also, what Belle said about grace.

  24. 2007 December 14

    I guess that’s all they see you doing because the posts that directly deal with shallow white feminism, out of all your amazing posts are the only ones they probably check. It’s reflective of a pretty upside-down view of the world, that these people can bypass the eloquence, depth, and sheer variety of information shared by bloggers like brownfemipower and you. But then again, I suppose much more can’t be expected from anyone in the mob of fans for a “feminist” book with the appearance and writing style of a teenage magazine. I go to bloggers in the woc blogosphere to hear about events, actions, and analyses of power dynamics that I would almost never find on the mainstream feminist blogs. Those blogs are so limited in what they cover and so stubbornly narrow, my mind just boggles to think that there are folks who call themselves feminists and do not receive the information available through the woc blogosphere with respect, and frankly, awe. It’s amazing to me that these people seem not have even a passing acquaintance with postcolonial theory or black feminism and just do *not* want to learn.

  25. 2007 December 14

    Is the last part elitist? I just meant that it’s generally a good idea to read and seek out theory by woc, especially since they are supposedly pro-women and pro-equality. It’s one thing to simply be unfamiliar with certain texts, but the hostility towards receiving that knowledge and invalidation of it is not. Then again, speaking of elitism, unless I’ve misinterpreted her, Aunt B seemed to be implying that woc don’t know how white, college-educated women talk to each other. Pretty bizarre, considering that US pocs live in a majority-white country, and deal with them all the time. And considering how much self-involved, ignorant blathering from overconfident, overprivileged women I put up with at my college.

  26. 2007 December 14

    Well…it’s not elitist, no. There needs to be a move to divorce the world of theory from academia. WOC online feminists do a lot of work in that regard, but then again they’re not relying on the corporate conglomerates to help legitimize their movements. And people think when you’re getting the latter, that’s enough.

  27. 2007 December 14
    michelle permalink

    There needs to be a move to divorce the world of theory from academia.

    Random comment here: From a space of relative selfishness (really), I’d like to email you something I wrote months ago about my own specific struggles with something that may or may not be related to this, to get your perspective on it if you’d be willing. I can’t seem to find an email on the site, if it would be ok for me to do this, would you send me an email so I can? (or just point me to where the email is listed that I can’t find…). And, please feel free to delete this comment since it’s just a message to you.

  28. 2007 December 14

    Sure, Michelle! I’d like to read it. I shot an e-mail over to you, and I don’t mind leaving the comment up.

    Maybe I should put my e-mail somewhere on here.

  29. 2007 December 14

    Then again, speaking of elitism, unless I’ve misinterpreted her, Aunt B seemed to be implying that woc don’t know how white, college-educated women talk to each other. Pretty bizarre, considering that US pocs live in a majority-white country, and deal with them all the time. And considering how much self-involved, ignorant blathering from overconfident, overprivileged women I put up with at my college.

    I know this is a bit of a tangent, but she did clarify this later. (And she’s spoken about it before, but people just getting to her blog from this issue wouldn’t know that, which is totally okay.) It’s not that WoC don’t know how white college-educated women talk to each other, but that white women don’t know that’s what they’re doing. That is, the problem is that those modes of thought are unmarked and reified over and over again, to a degree that can be befuddling/frustrating to anyone outside it, whether by knowledge of alternatives (like us, which I think is one of the bits she missed) or by lack of knowledge of the framework itself (which would be the people that she foregrounds here, who, unfortunately, are pretty irrelevant to the rest of the conversation).

    That’s mostly a tangent. Where I was really going was this bit in Sylvia’s response: (I just had to get through your comment to get there.)

    There needs to be a move to divorce the world of theory from academia.

    I’ve never thought about this so concretely, but that sums up a big problem I’ve had in a lot of the recurring blogodrama. Theory is useful. Being able to talk about patterns and data and abstract stuff is useful. They’re all tools, and tools that can and should be put to good use in any activist context. Academia, on the other hand, is a system. It’s a system that can put good tools in your hand, but also a system that has widespread and significant faults. Conflating the two makes … a lot of problems.

  30. 2007 December 14

    I guess my momentary doubt crept because of comments by two people that I heard ages ago about how it’s unfair to assume people know certain things and chastise them when they don’t. Thinking back, those comments were from people with a great deal of racial privilege and who seemed to be defensively justifying privileged laziness. I ought to think my comments through a little more next time I post, aargh.

  31. 2007 December 14

    I hadn’t meant to conflate knowledge of theory and access to academia. One doesn’t need college to change one’s reading list.

  32. 2007 December 14

    I hadn’t meant to conflate knowledge of theory and access to academia. One doesn’t need college to change one’s reading list.

    Oh, that wasn’t aimed at you. That was me expanding on what Sylvia’s statement brought up for me. Specifically, that in certain blogwars, certain people have repeatedly invoked that very conflation to silence… pretty much everyone, actually. “You can’t say anything because you’re a pointy-headed academic and therefore all your theories have nothing to do whatsoever with reality!” “Well you can’t say anything because you don’t have the social capital that comes from having a prestigious degree, no matter what your lived experience is!” … and so on and so forth.

    The problem gets made out to be a divide between the bookish degreed types and the experienced working types, which is precisely not the issue at all. Getting a degree doesn’t magically mean you never had any lived experience, and not having one doesn’t mean you don’t know anything about books or theories or abstractions. The problem is the way those books and theories and abstractions relate to lived experiences, and what we can do (with books, theories, abstractions, movements, protests, programs, whatever tools we have) to make those lived experiences better. Some people forget this (over and over and over again) and decide to make it about which side of the fence you find yourself on instead.

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